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javi_capo escribió:Hace poco me ha comentado un pro que con en esa zona del palo se generan más r.p.m. en la bola
Txingurri escribió:
Todavia no me he formado una opinión clara pero estoy sintiendo que la bola va bien pegada, con un pequeño draw, larga y con buen spin...
Experimentation
“Perfect practice makes perfect”
or at least that is what we have been led to believe. This phrase alone has seeped into the practice regimes of golfers worldwide. A quick look up and down the range reveals almost every golfer is standing there trying to hone one desired motion.
While ‘calibrating’ is an important element to practice, your ability to do it is greatly diminished if you don’t have reference points to work from.
If all you have ever known is one way of doing something, how do you know there isn’t something better out there?
Try new stuff
Practice should include times for exploration and experimentation. And I am not talking about simply trying the latest golf magazine tip in the hope that this one is the ‘Secret’.
Try and push the boundaries a little. Explore things that you might never used in play – like trying to hit the biggest hook that you can by shutting the club face down 45 degrees. Try hitting a flop shot with a 3 iron.
Hell, even try topping it or intentionally shanking it.
Rory McIlroy intentionally tops his drive during a practice round. The skill and coordination it takes to shave the top of the ball like this is incredible.
In lessons, I have my biggest breakthroughs with pupils when we try things outside of their comfort zones. I will often get a lifetime slicer of the ball to set up with the club face 45 degrees left and tell them to “Try and hit the biggest hook you can for me”. Within seconds, they feel what it is like to actually strike the ball with a squarer face-to-path relationship.
Within minutes, other pieces to the puzzle start to self-organize, and the player is left with a different perception of how to hit a ball.
Your beliefs are holding you back
When I was initially learning golf, I was always worried about throwing in some experimentation like this. My analytical mindset always made me want to practice the “right way”. I was concerned that experimentation would throw my game off, or make me lose my swing.
Then I started researching.
I started looking at motor learning research. I then started trying the stuff. I then started doing it with pupils and had great success – able to make more positive changes with them in 5 minutes than they have been able to do in their lifetime.
I often find that the thing holding a person back the most is their belief. For example, I had a lifetime slicer in a lesson this week and asked them to experiment with hitting a shot as far left as possible. Their first few attempts, they closed the club face about 3 degrees. When I jumped in and turned the club face 45 degrees left and asked them to “hit that”, they looked very concerned.
Needless to say, the lifetime slicer was able to turn their slice into a power fade, or even draw the ball by the end of the lesson. but the reason he had never figured this out himself was due to a lack of experimentation, as well as having very shallow boundaries when he did experiment.
This case is all too common.
Thought experiment
Ask a tour player if they can hit a slice, a hook, a shank and a topped shot intentionally. Ask them if they can hit it more out of the heel, and more out of the toe.
Wait….. so tour players have an increased ability to hit bad shots on demand?
Yes – and they gained these abilities when they were messing around in practice or as kids. And these abilities serve them – they are able to calibrate a great shot much better because they have the ability to change things.
Practicing change improves your ability to change
Now ask an amateur if they can hit those poor shots – on demand (a big difference). There is a clear correlation between the level of a player and their ability to hit a multitude of different shots – even ones they may never use in the course of play.
Amateurs simply have no ability to change things – which is why they can’t change things towards the positive. This is exacerbated by the pervasive myth that we have to practice less changeability.
Sardo escribió:Por elaborar mi anterior comentario un poco más:
Adam Young tiene la teoría de que implementando práctica diferencial y variable se consiguen mejores resultado que intentando dar siempre “el golpe perfecto”.
En este link tenéis el artículo completo (en inglés)
https://www.adamyounggolf.com/top-10-go ... ce-tips-2/
Su teoría literalmente dice:Experimentation
“Perfect practice makes perfect”
or at least that is what we have been led to believe. This phrase alone has seeped into the practice regimes of golfers worldwide. A quick look up and down the range reveals almost every golfer is standing there trying to hone one desired motion.
While ‘calibrating’ is an important element to practice, your ability to do it is greatly diminished if you don’t have reference points to work from.
If all you have ever known is one way of doing something, how do you know there isn’t something better out there?
Try new stuff
Practice should include times for exploration and experimentation. And I am not talking about simply trying the latest golf magazine tip in the hope that this one is the ‘Secret’.
Try and push the boundaries a little. Explore things that you might never used in play – like trying to hit the biggest hook that you can by shutting the club face down 45 degrees. Try hitting a flop shot with a 3 iron.
Hell, even try topping it or intentionally shanking it.
Rory McIlroy intentionally tops his drive during a practice round. The skill and coordination it takes to shave the top of the ball like this is incredible.
In lessons, I have my biggest breakthroughs with pupils when we try things outside of their comfort zones. I will often get a lifetime slicer of the ball to set up with the club face 45 degrees left and tell them to “Try and hit the biggest hook you can for me”. Within seconds, they feel what it is like to actually strike the ball with a squarer face-to-path relationship.
Within minutes, other pieces to the puzzle start to self-organize, and the player is left with a different perception of how to hit a ball.
Your beliefs are holding you back
When I was initially learning golf, I was always worried about throwing in some experimentation like this. My analytical mindset always made me want to practice the “right way”. I was concerned that experimentation would throw my game off, or make me lose my swing.
Then I started researching.
I started looking at motor learning research. I then started trying the stuff. I then started doing it with pupils and had great success – able to make more positive changes with them in 5 minutes than they have been able to do in their lifetime.
I often find that the thing holding a person back the most is their belief. For example, I had a lifetime slicer in a lesson this week and asked them to experiment with hitting a shot as far left as possible. Their first few attempts, they closed the club face about 3 degrees. When I jumped in and turned the club face 45 degrees left and asked them to “hit that”, they looked very concerned.
Needless to say, the lifetime slicer was able to turn their slice into a power fade, or even draw the ball by the end of the lesson. but the reason he had never figured this out himself was due to a lack of experimentation, as well as having very shallow boundaries when he did experiment.
This case is all too common.
Thought experiment
Ask a tour player if they can hit a slice, a hook, a shank and a topped shot intentionally. Ask them if they can hit it more out of the heel, and more out of the toe.
Wait….. so tour players have an increased ability to hit bad shots on demand?
Yes – and they gained these abilities when they were messing around in practice or as kids. And these abilities serve them – they are able to calibrate a great shot much better because they have the ability to change things.
Practicing change improves your ability to change
Now ask an amateur if they can hit those poor shots – on demand (a big difference). There is a clear correlation between the level of a player and their ability to hit a multitude of different shots – even ones they may never use in the course of play.
Amateurs simply have no ability to change things – which is why they can’t change things towards the positive. This is exacerbated by the pervasive myth that we have to practice less changeability.
Adam es el autor de The Practice Manual, un libro que os recomiendo mucho.
Markyu escribió:Imagino que será parecido a un futbolista cuando entrenanado hace "malabares" con el balón: con el pie,cabeza,rodilla,la pasa por atrás, etc.......Aunque parezca una tonteria, pero ayuda bastante a la hora de jugar "normal", se adquiere más control y habilidad.
Sardo escribió:Preguntas muchas cosas y muy interesantes. Déjame que te cuente mi opinión:
En primer lugar, aunque parezca obvio, una cosa es dónde pones el palo en el stance y otra muy distinta donde golpeas la bola. Si dices que te va bien con esa posición, posiblemente es porque estés golpeando la bola en una parte más céntrica de la cara (mejor impacto). Prueba a ver dónde golpeas la bola pues eso te dará mucha información.
Sobre si es bueno o malo: no hay una respuesta. Zach Johnson hace algo parecido (mira videos) y sin duda le pega a la bola que es un espectáculo.
Lo importante es que seas consciente de lo que estás haciendo. EN palabras de Adam Young (el autor de The Practice Manual), lo que haces es un ejercicio de "variabilidad": es decir, comienzas desde una posición no usual pero buscas impactar la bola bien. Estos ejercicios mejoran la coordinación y son bueno como entrenamiento. Si luego resulta que es lo que mejor te va para jugar, no hay nada malo en que lo hagas así.
Un ejercicio muy bueno es intentar golpear MAL a propósito. Por ejemplo, si das sockets o una bola al cuello, ponte a la bola normal e intenta dar un puntazo. Para hacerlo bien debes tener una manera de comprobar dónde impactas la bola. Hay varias pero 3 principales:
1. Las típicas pegatinas de impacto
2. EL espray para pies en la cara del palo
3. Marcar las bolas con un rotulador al agua (los que se usan para las pizarras blancas y se borran pasando el dedo o con un poco de agua). Usa esto no permanentes porque sino fastidias las bolas.
Espero haberte ayudado algo.
TakeDeadAim escribió:Poco vale cómo apoyas el palo. Cuenta de verdad por dónde lo bajas hacia la bola. Lo de pegar en la punta no lo veo, salvo que para algún caso puntual quieras hacer un jucazo exagerado (tipo golpe alrededor de algún árbol)
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